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        <title>They can&#39;t all be right</title>   
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        <p>A Logical Vise to go with Russell&#39;s Teapot.  Below we will see how we know<br />
that most religious people are wrong.  Many don&#39;t care, but some do.  I<br />
don&#39;t want to offend anyone, but I really care about what&#39;s true and what&#39;s<br />
made up.  This article is addressed to religious people who also care deeply<br />
about whether their beliefs are true (Type 3 below).  First, let&#39;s look at<br />
the various ways people approach their beliefs:</p>

<p> </p>

<p>Type 1</p>

<p> </p>

<p>&quot;I don&#39;t care if it&#39;s true.  It feels good.  Besides, truth is personal.  If<br />
I believe it, it&#39;s true for me.&quot;</p>

<p> </p>

<p>This type of person has had personal, subjective experiences that have<br />
proven to him that certain things are true.  He doesn&#39;t care whether his<br />
evidence meets scientific standards of objectivity.  He admits that there<br />
are limits to what people can believe.  People can&#39;t believe the earth is<br />
flat, or that they can walk through walls, or that the formula for water is<br />
H3O, etc.  But he maintains that scientific proofs don&#39;t apply to his own<br />
personal experiences.  &quot;They&#39;re true for me and you can&#39;t disprove them.&quot;</p>

<p> </p>

<p>The rational response to this position is exemplified by Russell&#39;s Teapot.<br />
There could be a giant teapot orbiting the sun.  It&#39;s too small to be seen<br />
by our best telescopes, so you can&#39;t disprove it&#39;s there.  In such<br />
situations, the burden of proof isn&#39;t on us to disprove the existence of the<br />
teapot, but on the believer to provide evidence.  Technically, it is true<br />
that we can not definitively disprove anything, but this doesn&#39;t mean that<br />
all beliefs are equally likely to be true.  I don&#39;t have to be agnostic<br />
about the teapot.  It&#39;s reasonable to be atheistic about the infinity of<br />
imagined and unlikely concoctions.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>Type 2</p>

<p><br />
&quot;I think it&#39;s true, but I can&#39;t prove it.&quot;</p>

<p> </p>

<p>This is the typical religious person who has either grown up believing or<br />
has adopted a faith.  He likes to think his beliefs are well-founded, but<br />
doesn&#39;t require that they be.  He can see that, for example, belief in<br />
eternal life is at odds with the evidence, but remains firm in his belief<br />
out of &quot;faith&quot;.  Faith is cultivated as a virtue and trumps all evidence.<br />
Doubt is brushed aside and occasionally severe, but the believer reaffirms<br />
their faith by professing it regularly.  There is no argument with reason<br />
here, since the person makes no secret of favoring faith over logic and<br />
evidence.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>Type 3</p>

<p> </p>

<p>&quot;I know it&#39;s true and that&#39;s why I believe it.  I&#39;d believe it whether it<br />
made me feel good or not.&quot;</p>

<p> </p>

<p>This is the fundamentalist.  This person has made one or more founding<br />
assumptions, such as &quot;the Bible is true&quot; and proceeds from there.  They<br />
stake all on this article of faith.  This is the type of person who really<br />
cares whether their beliefs are true.  A good example of this comes from my<br />
own experience.  I once mentioned to my hairdresser that I would never teach<br />
my children about Hell because it would be cruel.  The woman replied,<br />
&quot;Unless it was true&quot;.  This stopped me cold.  I realized that I do teach my<br />
children to fear things like strangers, crossing the street, electrical<br />
hazards, etc. because those are real dangers.  They&#39;re true, so teaching my<br />
kids about them isn&#39;t cruel, it&#39;s loving.  To this woman, Hell is true, so<br />
she lovingly warns her children about it.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>Type 3 people are actually the most logically consistent (except for their<br />
founding assumption).  The problem lies with the choice of foundation, and<br />
that it is declared off-limits, beyond question, a given.  It should be<br />
noted that any manner of belief can be constructed this way.  When one<br />
person concocts a belief system, they are considered insane.  When thousands<br />
or millions do it, it&#39;s called religion.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>In the first two types, there was an honest devaluation of reason and<br />
evidence.  In this last type, it is claimed that, since the foundational<br />
assumptions are true, the beliefs that proceed from them are reasonable and<br />
true.  The only unreasonable aspect (which is key) is that any attempt to<br />
verify or challenge the foundational assumption is out of bounds.  This<br />
reaches absurd levels in the case of &quot;the Bible is true&quot;.  During another<br />
conversation I had with a believer, I pointed out the differing genealogies<br />
of Christ given in the New Testament.  &quot;They can&#39;t both be true&quot;, I told my<br />
friend.  He replied, &quot;Yes, they can.  God could be using different names for<br />
the same people&quot;.  When I pointed out that the number of generations was<br />
also a mismatch, he simply said, &quot;I still believe it&quot;.  The accuracy of the<br />
Bible was a founding assumption that didn&#39;t have to be proven or even<br />
logically consistent.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>So here we have a person who:</p>

<p> </p>

<p>1.	Says that whether his beliefs are true is important and that<br />
2.	His beliefs are true.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>Here comes the vise.  Suppose we find another person of this type with<br />
opposing beliefs.  Perhaps he is a Muslim fundamentalist.  Again, we have a<br />
person who:</p>

<p> </p>

<p>1.	Says that whether his beliefs are true is important and that<br />
2.	His beliefs are true.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>Now, we have two people who both claim their beliefs are true.  As with Type<br />
1, we can&#39;t prove either of them wrong, but now we have an even stronger<br />
argument than Russell&#39;s teapot.  We can definitely say that one of them is<br />
wrong, even though we don&#39;t know which one, because they believe mutually<br />
exclusive things.  (Both could be wrong as well.)  Now, we don&#39;t have to<br />
settle for the standard refutation that sounds like this:</p>

<p> </p>

<p>&quot;Technically, I can&#39;t disprove your beliefs.  You could be right.&quot;</p>

<p> </p>

<p>Now, we can say with certainty, </p>

<p> </p>

<p>&quot;One of you is wrong.&quot;</p>

<p> </p>

<p>This kind of logical vise doesn&#39;t bother Types 1 and 2, since they are ready<br />
to abandon issues of truth.  But to a Type 3, this should cause real<br />
discomfort since they really care about what&#39;s true.  This situation is<br />
actually occurring on a large scale.  There are a billion Hindus, a billion<br />
Muslims and a billion Christians.  They can&#39;t all be right.  Most of the<br />
world&#39;s faithful are wrong.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>My 13-year-old saw a t-shirt that said:</p>

<p> </p>

<p>2 billion smokers can&#39;t be wrong</p>

<p> </p>

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        <title>Bloch wing of the Nelson-Atkins museum</title>   
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<p>Wow.&#160; The new Bloch contemporary wing of the Nelson is amazing.&#160; Gorgeous spaces and materials.&#160; Great collection.&#160; I loved the Noguchi stone pieces.&#160; Rocks speak to me.<br /></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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There are 3 copies of this sculpture made after the Greek marble original dating back over 2000 years.&#160; My dad and I used this one as a meeting place during the 70s.&#160; We flew down here every 2 weeks for accordion lessons for 4 years.&#160; I threw up on nearly every flight but loved flying with my dad.&#160; I have a little replica of it he picked up in Florence.&#160; Great memories.<br /></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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In KC for a conference.&#160; Gorgeous fall weather, swanky hotel.&#160; I love my job.<br /></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>Tate.  All attitude.</title>   
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        <title>60 years.   Congrats, Gerald and Lorraine!</title>   
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<div>We drove up to Watertown, WI for dinner with Tracey&#39;s sibs and her
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